Numenarh tells it like he sees it.

**********(Sue said)*************
Please don’t put words in my mouth..I NEVER said any of you that believe in MJ’s innocence were “stupid supporters”. I’m honored to be grouped in with Roseena, but the only one I’ve had a problem with is numerath. This person emailed me several hateful emails and I repeatedly asked him to stop….only to get more emails. I had to block him before the hate stopped. I believe that MJ is a pedofile and I am entitled to that opinion. I also know that the evidence against him was not good enough or he would have been convicted.
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First off it is Numenarh. N u m e n a r h. Google it please. Numenarh. Next I responded cause you sent me e-mails. Sue I only responded to you…No Hate. I only said I thought Michael is innocent by the fact the evidence is not there to convict. Guess what? I am still saying that.
You are an over dramatic person who has taken it upon themselves to slam me. You, Sue, are a totally being untruthful when it comes to the deal about saying I sent you hate mail. I would not mind if you posted everything I sent you cause none of it was horrid or hateful. I only tried to explain my reasoning and confront you about your opinion. I thought you were being unreasonable about Me saying Jackson was innocent was offensive and hateful toward you. I have never gone on this hate-hate tirade of yours. If writing this or saying this stuff makes you feel better then: Okay. But I don’t think you even have a good grasp of reality as of now. (The stuff you write is one sided monotone of angst at best where I am concerned.) I wish you would not try and tell lies about what I sent you. It makes you look silly. Here I am using a blog to rectify ill will.

Okay here is the deal. **********Our court system never says “innocent.” Never. Never. Never. It is always: Guilty or not-guilty. You and any one else that actually thinks that not-guilty means “not-guilty” is unable or unwilling to understand the basics of the terminology. I think you just want him guilty. (*OKay, lets say he really did everything the Presecution says and 10 things we don’t know about. It would still mean that MJ is not-guilty in a court of law and so cannot be punished even if he did do all those things. He is leagally innocent.*) Did you ever read my post where I do the ? mark thing on if MJ is morally or spiritually not-guilty. Legal innocence is one thing but…never mind.

I think MJ should not have been convicted cause the evidence was not there…That is all. And Sue the only person you have had a problem with is me because I don’t feel like bowing down to your attitude of self-superiorness. Okay, maybe that was a little hateful. Once more with feeling: Don’t lie about me. I don’t mind if you have a different opinion. But I would like you to submit an argument that can be discussed…Not a Guilty cause I say so..attitude.
I have gone on record as supporting MJ against a witch-hunt but have said I don’t like pedophiles one bit. I don’t like being compared to them or being told I love such terrible people. Fair is fair…there is so little fairness in the world. I don’t want anyone falsely accused. Not even MJ, Or OJ…though I actually believe OJ killed those poeple.
But still even after the fact I would not want to see OJ falsely accused of something he did not do. Though it would be something he deserves it is not right for us to condemn the innocent for other wrong acts that cannot be proven. Even if you know those acts to be true. If they are not legally provable they have to be let go. Let go as far as the law is concerned. People can blackball him or not buy his albums…all that is legitimate protest. Even Sue or anyone can just say they hate the man and want him to burn in hades. ……………….

But to trample on the legal system, the best in this world, is not a good idea. Mockery of justice for justice sake is not justice but a crude, infantile, injustice and ultimately leads to hatemongering and finally injustice to the common man that the law is most supposed to shelter. SO there you go. To get a couple of, perhaps and maybe, badguys you begin a kind of dark spiral toward anarchy and over time…decades or even a century you end up with a mockery of true judicial values and black corruption. Vigilance of freedom must be watched after at home too. All people need to be afforded a fair trial. This does not always happen but this is the best system in our world at present so be happy you live in America. At least America tries to be the land of the brave and the home of the free. We get it right most of the time btw. Most of us are brave and lots of us are free. The struggle is not over. Won’t be till people of all colors and walks of life are free to associate with whomever they want and become whatever they can become and be free as the person they live beside. That day in America is coming and I hope I live it see it…or at least my children do. Thanks for reading.

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28 Responses to “Numenarh tells it like he sees it.”

  1. Sue Says:

    N u m e n a r h,
    If you are going to quote me, please quote everything.
    I was NOT addressing you, I was addressing Herb. You are so full of yourself that you think eveything is about you. As for me sending you emails.. I only replied to your emails to ask you to stop. You never did.. I had to block you to get some peace. Since I delted the filth you sent, I can’t quote you.

  2. Yvette Says:

    Nu,menarh, your lastposting is without a doubt with substance. We all must LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE because if we do no, those radical musliums are out to get us all! They do care what racw, creed or color you are. They are coming to our America to start some #…T, but they bad thing about it, is when? where? and How? it;s time to look at the bigger picrure because, the small one will not count if we are all dead!

  3. roseena Says:

    numenarh - your posting “telling it how you see it”, specifically the last paragraph, is very disturbing. You imply there is prejudice towards various people and I find that comment completely unsupported. I do not know what race or gender or nationality you are, but you speak of unfairness as if it is holding back certain groups of people. I would be interested in hearing what facts or examples that support your hunch, because as I see it, we all are afforded the same opportunities in life - and any person can achieve goals and excel through life if they work towards that goal.

  4. Cheetah Says:

    Numenarh, I’m assuming from the issues raised in your post that you must be African American. (You can confirm this for me later.) From state to state statistics show that blacks are disproportionately arrested. When arrested blacks are more likely to be convicted and when convicted are given longer prison terms for crimes equal to those committed by White Americans. The statistics are staggering!
    There are also social statistics that support that African Americans with equal or better educations are hired into lower paying postions and promoted less often. This is also statistically proven and factual.
    The issue of equality in America permeates every avenue of minority life from neighborhoods lived in, schools attended, political and economical growth and employment gained but that is another topic entirely.
    For blacks in this country the Michael Jackson trial had a different significance. It was proof to some extent that a black man, (albiet a famous one), could indeed be tried fairly within the American legal system. While this may not be true for the average Black American it is still heartening. If you are African American your belief in the American system of justice is quite commendable especially since statistics support that you probably would not get equal treatment under the law. Yet like you said, the day is coming…
    I have books I can recommend but if you’d like to check out some of the statistics online go to http://www.peace.ca\truthaboutblackcrime

  5. roseena Says:

    Cheetah - Your post is very thoughtful and well said - however I must disagree with you. Studies ALSO have proven obese people are also paid less, given less promotions, these same conditions apply to gender, men seem to get better treatment. There have been independant studies conducted on personal appearance (unattractive versus attractive) and the same discrepancies also were found in those instinces. Age is also found to influence treatment of others, a person tends to respect and have faith in a 75 yr old versus a 21 year old punk with pink hair, right? As far as the police statistic, I dont know, that may be true or it may not be. I know I have had more than my fair share of speeding tickets and it appears I am pulled over several times per year and I am white, 36, and average looking. I guess what I am trying to point out is I do not believe there is a “racial” discrimination problem. Last I heard anyone can pursue higher education, anyone can apply for a job regardless of race, and any person can work towards and strive for a promotion, you can move into any neighborhood you want to live in. We are humans and have differences, and obviously behave differently and make different choices, but that does not mean is it driven from hate or lack of understanding for a particular race. I am sure, if i put time and effeort into claiming I was discriminated against in life, I could do so. Everyone has experiences where they were not promoted, didnt get the salary they deserved, got a ticket when the officer may have let the last person go. Every person has experinced being treated unequally at times, but that doesn’t mean racial discrimnation.

  6. roseena Says:

    Cheetah - you said the trial held a different significance to black americans, the verdict was able to prove fairness in our judicial system for black people. Oh my, I find that comment very disturbing. I didn’t view the trial or outcome as an indicator for discrimination and if there were people that did, then that would be the greater threat to our judicial system. If there are individuals, regardless of background, who are seeking to find anything other than a correct and fair verdict, THAT is the problem because the thought process is clouded by unrelated issues.

  7. Cheetah Says:

    Roseena, in response to your post #5 your perspective on racial discrimination probably derives from your own unbiased and progressive thinking. However, the proof is in the pudding. Did you know that at any point in time, Blacks have the highest unemployment rate than that of any other comparable race in this country?
    Case in point: Right now if you were to look at the National Bereau of Employment Statistics you would find out that for the month of May, 2005 the national unemployment rate was at 5.1% overall. Of registered unemployed Americans 4.7% were White, 4.2% were of Asian descent, 6.3% were Hispanic and 9.3 % were Black.
    While many people believe that the playing field is fairly level today, despite the progress that has been made Black people continue to have twice the unemployment rate of whites, half the median family income and half the proportion who attend four or more years of college.
    It is also commonly percieved that if Asians, Jews and other non Black immigrants to this country can advance economically then so can Blacks. This is flawed thinking because it ignores the unique history of discrimination against Black people in America. Historians point out that Blacks have a 385 year history on this continent, 245 yrs. involving slavery, 100 yrs involving legalized discrimination and 40 yrs involving anything else. Asians, Jews and other immigrants to this country immigrated here as doctors, lawyers, professors, entrepreneurs and so forth. To expect Blacks to show the same upward mobility as other immigrants is to deny the historical and social reality that Black people face.
    If it’s any consolation to you recent studies proport that racism is not blatant but unconscious. Respondents who identify themselves as non biased racially respond in adversed ways when tested. In one particular study respondents were shown pictures of various races of people dressed in the same clothing while smiling and asked to identify the corporate CEO, the office mgr. , the accountant, the criminal, the custodian, the teacher, the librarian, etc. ( there were 30 different occupations listed felonious or otherwise) Ninety-six percent of the respondents relegated the blacks pictured to felonious or service industry positions. The respondent were all white.
    Just because other forms of discrimination also exist it does not mean that racial discrimination does not. While idealistically your perspective is admirable, realistically for Black Americans it does not exist.

  8. Cheetah Says:

    Roseena, in response to your post #6, Blacks constantly need reaffirmation that the justice system can work for them because it has been statistically proven not to. This trial was no different than any other for you because getting a fair trial in America isn’t a problem for Whites but Blacks view high profile cases against Black defendants with a wary eye because justice in this country is not color blind. For proof of this, check out the website I directed Numenarh to.
    Also, you may get your fair share of speeding tickets but Blacks get more than their fair share according to national statistics. Racial profiling amongst traffic cops is a proven reality. In some counties where Blacks make up just 2% of the population they account for 80% of all traffic stops.

  9. numenarh Says:

    Oh and one more thing…IF Cheetah, Herb and Yvette were any more right it would be just utterly fantastic. What is more than 100% correct? Oh well…keep posting and perhaps I will find out.

  10. Cheetah Says:

    Some things I should clarify…
    Most often when we talk about discrimination the word “hate” comes up however, hate is not usually the basis for discrimination. In racial discrimination a lack of cultural understanding is generally to blame.
    Remember that to discriminate means to make a distinction. Racial discrimination is a form of invidious (irrational) discrimination that classifies people into different groups based on race, in which group members recieve distinct and typically unequal treatment and rights without rational justification. Yet whether discrimination is explicit (spoken), tacit (unspoken) or unconscious(unaware), the results are still the same.
    A professor once told me a story about growing up in her small Oklahoma town. The town wasn’t very big and they walked everywhere. Ocassionally while walking they’d encounter a group of Black men on their way to work. Her mother would say to her, “Let’s avoid those Black men, they’re probably dangerous.” They would then cross the road to avoid confronting the group.

    For years afterward when faced with the same delimma this professor would cross the road until she came to the realization that her behavoir was irrational and not based on any experience she’d ever had. She then confronted what had become a fear for her. She willed herself to stay put and greet the men as they passed by. Her heartbeat increased, she began to hypervintillate and tremble. The men smiled and nodded in greeting and went on about their way.
    She later became a sociologist. Sociology is the study of developement, organization and problems of society.
    I am a thirty-nine year old woman with a PHD in Sociology which I teach at the college level. I also have a Masters degree in Elementary Education and am currently certified to teach grades 2nd thru 8th. I happen to be African American.

  11. roseena Says:

    Cheetah and Numenarh - You believe there is substantial and noticable racial discrimination in our society and I am very frustrated by that. I believe people of all walks of life and backgrounds react and behave differently and treat people differently but I do not believe its driven by racial discrimination. Numernarh, you really down-played my point of discrimnation/unfairness against people based on obesity,age, appearance, or gender, by putting it in a silly context and these factors DO in fact have an impact on equal treatment and it is regardless of race. I just do not believe our “society” as a whole, is racial society. And yes numenarh, I have heard of skinheads and kkk and I think they are hateful cowards. I do not believe a random hate-group (whoever they are hating) does not make a racial society. I am not sure where you and cheetah live, I live outside of pittsburgh, have worked in the city, traveled often, have had friends and family of different races, i have raised my older son with the approach of treating people as individuals - period.
    My response to the unemployment statistics…. I believe anyone can get a job, I was taught to work towards a goal, and work for what you have, based on that, I believe we ALL have the opportunity to succeed. Numerarh, in response to you claiming there are people that have special advantages (paris hilton, an athlete, etc) and therefore reducing the chances for an average-joe is true but does not mean it is discrimination, this premise can apply to any person. Gees, I would have liked to have bought the house in the plan down the road for 200k, but guess what, I had to buy a home 1/2 the price until I can afford the upgrade. Is that discrimination towards me? Absolutely not. I have a plan and intention to move my life in the direction it needs to in order to get what i want. I am not wasting time and energy claiming I was cheated or being treated unfair because I am woman with an average income.
    I wonder if the “thought of” or “view of” racial discrimnation in our world is merely based on an individuals perception of the world and people…. is the glass half empty or half full?

  12. roseena Says:

    Is the claim of “racial discrimination” really a cry of personal insecurity? I believe it can be. Is it an excuse or cop-out for a persons life choices or limitations? I am not denying that racial discrimination was not a horrible problem many years ago, however, that is no longer the case, and you can see the evidence of change in everyday life. When I listen, really listen, to a person’s laundry list of “cases and points” on why they believe racial discrimination really exists, I am left with the impression they are insecure. Insecure and blaming the “world” for their have-nots, blaming “mankind” for their position (or lack of) in life, blaming an ethnic race for their short-comings and blaming their own ethnic background as the weight holding them back and shadowing their future. I believe if you choose to play role of the martyr and behave as a martyr then the martyr you’ll be. In the examples cheetah and numenarh listed, I wonder if it ever crossed their minds that maybe those statistics were not a result of racism but possibly a result of individual choices. Can a negative mindset of feeling like the victim cause you to lose in life? Maybe.

    We seemed to have spun-off from of mj debate into a much more meaningful one, however it agitates me that race is an element in the mj trial at all. What does an ethnic background have to do with being on trial for molestation? Absolutely nothing! If someone molested my child, I would care less of the race or ethnicity of the offender, I would purely want justice. It disgusts me to hear people put a racial label or component to this trial/verdict. It seems to me the only people uptight and distracted by race are the people (white or black) who believe we live in a racist society. Please, do not reply to my posts by saying I am racist, blah, blah, blah – because I am not. I simply choose to look at the world as a place of opportunity and look at people as “individuals” and not draw assumptions (negative or positive) based on personal appearance or skin color.

  13. numenarh Says:

    Blah-blah Roseena. Roseena. I don’t know what you meenah. Insecure lots of people are insecure. Limitations lost of people have these. Not everyone is racially discriminated against. I know that. Some people use it as a crutch but that does not mean it isn’t real.
    People defraud the insurance company but it does not mean there are not legitimate claims. And analogy and all that good stuff aside: Personal experience trumps your argument of racial discrimination is a thing of the past. You are viewing things through a paralax…all askew. The real issue is what do we do about those that are harmed by ill will? How can people make society better for as many people as possible? And all that Jazz. Oh, and if there is not racial discrimination can you explain to me “The Bell Curve” and Jim Crow and how so many peopel had MJ dead to rights guilty before he even set foot in a court room? One of my parents used defamatory language and claimed MJ was guilty bacuase he was a dumb black *&*%#. (You get the very stupid point of that dumba** statement, I know. ) But my parent is wrong and prejudice and wrong and very-very wrong. I know that. I never was going to claim Roseena or Susabella was a racist just because there views are different than mine. But I do think their views are uninformed and possibly borderlined neglectful of what life is like for some people. Step into the everyman or everywoman shoes for a second and tell me that life is equadistant to success for every person in America, lets just not even mention the rest of the Earth, and Canada. Yes, Canada. (I have been up too long. lol.)
    Okay, I have to sigh off now cause I have been up almost 19 hours. Take care all of you bloggers.

  14. Cheetah Says:

    Roseena,
    I do believe that racial discrimination still exist in our society. I don’t know how substantial or noticable it IS. I believe it is less substantial and noticable than it WAS. I’m sorry if this frustrates you.
    I believe that who we are is determined by where we come from culturally, spiritually, physically, our families, our friends, our experiences and our associations all help us shape our personal paradigms. These paradigms in turn, determine how we behave and treat one another.
    I believe we all think that we are objective people who see things as they are but this isn’t really true. We see the world, not as IT IS, but as WE ARE. We see the world from where we sit.
    For this reason one can’t use their own personal experience to describe what it is like to be someone they are not. Hence, I can not tell you what it is like to be a Chinese American because that is not my experience. I do not share the same culture. Or physical and spiritual experiences, family, friends and associations are likely to be different also. The particulars within the components that shaped their paradigm are not the same as mine. However, I can meet, befriend and grow to love a Chinese American by accepting, learning of and celebrating our differences, not by denying that they exist. In this acceptance we will also discover our similarities. Infact, I would wager that due to our humanity we have more similarities than we have differences.
    I believe that people from all walks of life and from many different races were taught the same principle values as I was. To love God, to treat others as I would like to be treated, to value family and friends, to be honest, to work hard, etc. I count people of all races and from all walks of life as my friends.
    It is my contention that hate begets hate and that hate groups only hate themselves. When I look at those unemployment stats I see what the stats really mean. I see the faces of the people behind the numbers. I see them struggling to feed and clothe their children. I see them struggling to meet their household expenses and mortgages.
    In studies racial discrimination has been proven to still exists. The same studies that have been used to validate racial discrimination have been used to validate gender, obesity and age discrimination. I find it odd that you accept the results when it applies to those issues but not race.

  15. Cheetah Says:

    Roseena,
    I do believe that racial discrimination still exist in our society. I don’t know how substantial or noticable it IS. I believe it is less substantial and noticable than it WAS. I’m sorry if this frustrates you.
    I believe that who we are is determined by where we come from culturally, spiritually, physically, our families, our friends, our experiences and our associations all help us shape our personal paradigms. These paradigms in turn, determine how we behave and treat one another.
    I believe we all think that we are objective people who see things as they are but this isn’t really true. We see the world, not as IT IS, but as WE ARE. We see the world from where we sit.
    For this reason one can’t use their own personal experience to describe what it is like to be someone they are not. Hence, I can not tell you what it is like to be a Chinese American because that is not my experience. I do not share the same culture. Or physical and spiritual experiences, family, friends and associations are likely to be different also. The particulars within the components that shaped their paradigm are not the same as mine. However, I can meet, befriend and grow to love a Chinese American by accepting, learning of and celebrating our differences, not by denying that they exist. In this acceptance we will also discover our similarities. Infact, I would wager that due to our humanity we have more similarities than we have differences.
    I believe that people from all walks of life and from many different races were taught the same principle values as I was. To love God, to treat others as I would like to be treated, to value family and friends, to be honest, to work hard, etc. I count people of all races and from all walks of life as my friends.
    It is my contention that hate begets hate and that hate groups only hate themselves. When I look at those unemployment stats I see what the stats really mean. I see the faces of the people behind the numbers. I see them struggling to feed and clothe their children. I see them struggling to meet their household expenses and mortgages.
    In studies racial discrimination has been proven to still exists. The same studies that have been used to validate racial discrimination have been used to validate gender, obesity and age discrimination. I find it odd that you accept the results when it applies to those issues but not race.

  16. Cheetah Says:

    Sorry for the double post.

  17. roseena Says:

    Cheetah - It is not that I pick and choose only certain statistics as being valid, I simply tried to make the point that I do not believe we are a racial society, and i used examples of all the various ways/reasons people judge others by. We are humans who treat others differently not becuase of hate or misunderstanding. I think people have become extremely sensitive and defensive when it comes to race and that may be a reason there is so much being “read into” every day occurances and intpreted into a negative intent of racism. Last I heard, a person of any color, age, race, size (you get my drift) can seek higher education (if you are not fortunate enough to have scholarships, there are student loans available), this same group of people can marry who they want (ah, well, not the same gender, thats a different debate), they can live in any state, they can seek any career they desire to pursue, this same group is also not prohibited from anything - Cheetah, have you ever thought maybe it is not our society as a “whole” that needs mending but maybe there are for a better lack of words, assholes in the world, who may not treat people fairly all the time (case and point, the story of my ex-boss)
    Is there really a problem with racism, or is the problem within individuals - whether it is the individuals who feel they are victimized in life, or the individuals who are hateful, or maybe the individuals who feel it is there repsonsibility to crusade and battle an inflated problem. There are many other issues we have to face in our world, issues that are true and destructive that need our attention and energy. I am not saying there aren’t people who are treated unfairly at times, i am not denying there are pitiful hate groups, I am saying I do not believe that we live in a racial society, the great majority of people are good and could care less about race and the people who claim there IS racism is basing that on personal perception and not the big picture.

  18. Sue Says:

    Roseena…
    Just a question…agree with me that Numenarh’s post are a bit hard to understand at times? I am just curious if it’s just me or not.

  19. Yvette Says:

    Michael Jackson himself said, “that if he is convicted on all counts, there would be roits in Los Angeles. zzzzzzzsince the Rodney King case, and yes, after those policeman were found “Not Guilty”, the city of Los Angeles braced itself for another possible roit. After O.J. simpson was aquitted on all charges, nothing happened, but the Rodney King trail left the city heart broken. No one would have ever thought that a riot would happen in the city of Los Angeles in 1992…but it did, and just like the King verdict came in, people were on edge just to see what or how the justice system woukld play out. Also, the same for the Michael Jackson trail, I honestly think some one would have tried to roit in this city. Many low income/uneducated African Americans still believe racism is still alive and well. Mr. Jackson has a whole lot of “fans” and if BJ Hickman has had problems with the system, so can others. It sad to believe this to be true but it’s ot there pkain and simple.

  20. Dave Gore Says:

    I want to comment on the last paragraph that Sue made. It’s very sad that people like to judge races and/or put spicific races in a box. I think that if you look at this situation with you eye’s closed and not judge whether these people are poor, uneducated, or live in the “hood” you can very well see that racism does exist. even with the same race.

    Let’s grow up and not put others in a box!

    M.J. Have issues just every one else. He is no different than the neighbor down the street.

  21. Dave Gore Says:

    There is a saying: “you reep what you sow”. there isn’t any one on earth that has commited a crime or have done something wrong and gotten away with it. It doesn’t matter when or how.

    if anyone is guilty of doing something wrong it will come back very hard and the person cannot get out of it.

  22. Yvette Says:

    Dave Grove, your comment on Mr. Jackson, “he is like everyone else”, he is to a certain part of being human like “us” but, Mr. Jackson has not lived a normal life as we have. Think about it… think about all the billions he has made in his time, if not trillions. He is so pissed off at the US, he has resorted to another country, Baharain! this is a country which in not really frinedly with the US! I’ve been there. I have a friend who is a doctor in Saudi Aribia who happens to live on the US army base. Saudi does not allow visitors. If one wants to visit some one who lives there, you must meet them in Bahrain.
    Just imagin for a few minutes if Mr. Jackson were to come outside of his home or anywhere, he would be mobbed! and possible killed! That is not like you or his neighbor.

  23. roseena Says:

    . I wish the people who collectively feel/assume/believe this horrible problem of societal racism would pull their efforts and energy to more important social issues and combat drugs or hunger and issues that impact our kids and teens – and these issues affect all kids – not just particular races. Can your efforts be put towards positivism?

  24. HERB Says:

    yvette, why do you have to be low income and uneducated to believe that racism is still alive and well in this country. your remark can be considered racist. there are people of all races starving, homeless, jobless, and without the basic needs of life. also a racist attitude was and still is a way of life, it is what you are taught. you do not get a just forgive and forget pass on all the crimes comitted on african americans. the jews will never forget and we will not either. people were killed for just being black, people were denied jobs and other rights because it was a way of life. how stupid is it to have a whites only water fountain or restroom. when black americans are on the low end of the economic ladder they are considered uneducated but when white americans are on the low end they are considered just having a bad break. racism went from out in the open to in the closet, to in the boardrooms, to the bank loan officers, to the police. it was only less than 20 years ago that a white man shot and killed his wife in boston and said a black man did it. there was a city wide search for black men. you were stopped and questioned if you were just seen on the streets. the reason it does not seem like racism is so prevelent today is that many black men and women have had to die for me to even be able to log on to this post. i am not talking about just martin, medger, and malcolm. but the unsung people that were shot, lynched, homes fire bombed, women who were raped, churches that were burned to the ground. they are the reason that i can vote, sit at a counter and eat my food, sit anywhere i want on a bus, go to any school i want. these are the things many people take for granted because they were never bought at so high a price as a life

  25. roseena Says:

    Herb - did you notice a significant word throughout your post? “Were”, past-tense Herb. The acts of racism in the past were horrible, absolutely deplorable. But Herb, those acts of hate that you listed are in the past and they would never happen again, against any race. You should try to forgive, maybe you wouldnt so angry and negative about seeing the good in people today.
    And one more thing, you are the first to label an opposing opionion as “mudslinging” or “disrespectful” yet you can assume or generalize people with a statement, herb said:
    also a racist attitude was and still is a way of life, it is what you are taught.
    herb, i resent that comment, I was not taught/raised to hate or be racist as many other were not.

  26. HERB Says:

    if you are a racist it is something you are taught. what world are you living in that acts of racism is a thing of the past. tell that to rodney king, tell that to the black man dragged behind a truck untill he was decapitated, tell that to the black man who was assulted at a police station by police with a broom stick. tell that to the black man shot by police numerous times standing on his front stoop. how can you say that was the past. racism is in the blood of america. it happens again everyday just because you close your eyes to it does not mean it will go away. just because you have never called a black person a ni@#$, or denied someone basic human rights does not mean people everyday don’t

  27. roseena Says:

    Herb - Your list of incidents does not mean we are a racist country - those are horrible things that happened - what about the boy who was tied to a fence (i think in tx) and beaten to death because he was gay? This boy was white. What about the white truck driver who was pulled form his cab and beaten? these also horrible acts of violence. What about the woman of all colors who are beaten or raped by a man every day in the world? These are all horrible crimes, no matter what color the victim is, are unacceptable acts of hideous violence. there are people hurt and mistreated every day. Poeple need to unify and fight all acts of violence and crime, not “catagorize” according to race.

  28. herb Says:

    roseena, this is my last post on this subject. we may just have to agree to disagree. you can not equate 400 years of opppresion to the trials of today. a person is born black not born gay. injustice and intolerence anywhere is not right, we all lose. racism against blacks, gays, women is still racism. racism is hate and hate will always fester in this country. yes we have made strides in this country but, have a long way to go. as to mj, yes the trial is over and pointless to debate it any longer, lets just leave the name calling somewhere else. it is just as bad as calling someone a fagot, ni@#$%, bitch. these words are some of the root causes of hate, and to kill hate you have to start at the root.

    god bless and i have enjoyed this post and all the views, even those i did not like. herb signing off


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